In this podcast interview, Carey Nieuwhof and David Kinnaman are joined by Andy Crouch, author and Theology & Culture Partner at Praxis.

Together, they discuss what the long-term impact of the pandemic might look like for churches at a time when only 58% of pastors say they're "very confident" their church will survive in the coming year and a half.

They also talk about the growing influence of technology in our lives and how we can can be more intentional about using our devices in a supporting role, instead of a consuming role.